Have you tried ordering the medium? I’m 6ft 4 and ‘normal’ build (17st), it’s impossible to find stuff long or broad enough that isn’t designed for fat blokes. But there is hope! British fashin model Leomie Anderson has a slender toned figure with incredible body measurements. There are many plus-size consumers who have expressed their sadness over Zara not catering to them, and frankly, it’s such a huge shame.” Damn it I love my boobs. I cannot imagine who would fit in large, XL or even XXL. So I for one was thankful when places like H&M and Express started popping up so I’m not stuck at only B&R to find anything that doesn’t fit like a parachute. Still, I don’t always have a whole day just to get a decent shirt, and I’d much prefer to buy a quality brand where I KNOW it’s going to fit. [In checking around it looks like for Fall 2003 they are back to tall and very thin - 5' 9 to 5'10", size 2 to 4 but I think they would love size 0. Honestly man, these models don’t workout, have narrow shoulders, and have relatively small chest sizes for their height. What really annoys me is small size clothes that are actually too tight for me in the chest but still much too long in the body and sleeves. When you look at how quickly certain sizes sell out, surely fashion houses should twig that it may be worth stocking more of the product? I think brands think it’s easier to tailor something shorter than to tailor something longer so they often err on the long side for one size fits all (although never long enough for me to even get away with an untall Large). I’ll add another point to the mix, if you have less than a size 8 foot, good luck finding a store to find nicer smart casual shoes. I basically never find anything in-store in the UK, but if you look on its site, search ‘oversized’ and then filter by things available in an XL, or whatever the item goes up to (because let’s face it, to fit someone of my size it would need to be oversized in their biggest size!). I still shop in Zara but only for accessories, shoes, sometimes bags and big coats. A toddler’s !? Haha, great text, i totally agree with you! I must have misread that. I’m glad to have found this site, and it’s helpful to know that I’m really not alone in these feelings of frustration that I’ve had for a while now. I’m a chick, not a dude… but I’m 5’10 (which is supposedly tall for a female) and I’m a small (sometimes extra small depending on the brand). I would probably look into other clothes that they sell if I could actually find their official site. I'm asking a serious question This man in anything but average. My father is 6.8 and he’s wearing a f*ing Medium. To date, it’s still one of the most popular blog posts on this site. Do you feel my pain? Even when I try to compensate with a large in place of a medium, the shirt’s are still often too short?! That's FIVE different sizes. I love to read that the sleeves are too short when ordering a shirt for my husband and that the sleeves are too long when ordering for myself. There’s no way your 6’2″ model is wearing a medium, right? Gentlemen, what the hell is going on here? I’m not stick thin either but I have a 27 inch waist. As a 5’10” woman, I can tell you that it is pretty ironic to know that all fashion models are my height (but close to half my weight, too many pies, not enough running, mea culpa), yet all the clothes in the shops seem tailored for a 5’5″ woman. you can still be hot and a size 12 or 14, ya know. I especially love all the co-ords they’ve had in this summer, and quite a few of these have been in jersey or knit fabrics, so with the stretch, I have been able to fit into them. Models shirts are custom tailored for models and don’t represent the real product. My problem is that I want to take advantage of good deals online like guiltgroup and hautelook, and I see that the model is 6’2″ wearing a medium and I lose all confidence in knowledge of my size. and the other pictures are like none tailored shirts. For button downs I once bought a shirt at a Chinese mall from GXG. First, Americans truly are bulkier (don’t want to say fatter, but… alas) than Europeans, and those shots are often of European men. and believe me, I’m the kind of person who gets away with wearing children’s clothes all the time. It will be available in three different fabrics and colors. Not ideal, but decent. 67 Popular Fashion Quotes You’ll Love (or Hate), The Complete Guide to Smart Casual Style for Men [2021], A Men’s Guide to Fair Isle Sweaters for 2021, In-Depth Guide: Un-Gendered Fashion and Unisex Clothing Brands, Where to Buy Joggers for Short Men (Hands-On Review), The 10 Best Fall Shoes for Men (2021 Guide). Since $$ are the bottom line, I’m confident that if we give our business to the few stores that actually think about our needs, then hopefully, if the numbers are there, we will see an increase in options all around. I am only 5’11” maybe a little long torsoed but still I cant find a shirt long enough to reach my belt unless it’s either large tall which flaps like a cape in the breeze behind me or a xxxl which is like wearing a 5 person tent. Yeah its quite a pain. If you're talking UK sizing, I would assume a Size 10 is a Medium in Zara. seriously and if you are gonna bash women who are over size 10, go away or I will thumbs down you. Also, Americans (mostly rural) still prefer loose clothes, and they do not even realize how big it is. Your email address will not be published. It’s almost always the correct width but a horribly short length. I’m preaching to the choir, but yes, I’m also incredibly frustrated by the lack of decent looking smart casual and dress clothing for smaller men, and the radically varying sizing between companies/brands. so those “descriptions” only add to the whole ludicrousness of the situation! and with that said, most high end brands go as far down like XXS. Hopefully there will be more UK options soon. I know that 'regular models' wear a size zero or maybe a 1 or a 2, but if a normal girl wishes to model, and she's got the looks, what size clothing do they wear? Thanks for pointing this out Brock. To give you an idea, I’m somewhere around 6’1″ to 6’2″ (depends on when in the day you measure), and I typically weigh between 182 and 200 lbs, depending on how much muscle I’ve put on or lost. I can get European shoes, size 35-36 for about $300 for dress shoes. I firmly believe this is because if they rolled them down they would be ridiculously short. So why are all these 6’2″ models wearing medium sized shirts? Sukoenig is outspoken about the size gap—how when you’re not a “straight” size (a term the industry uses for models who fit the traditional sample size) or “plus” (an often controversial word for sizes above a 12, though models in this category can be as small as a size … I think Gap was the only one 10 years ago. According to Elle.com, the mass retailer does not participate in America's "vanity sizing" which allows us to fit into sizes that are smaller than our actual size. That just leads them to decide not to carry anything except the “core” median sizes. Let’s try a different shirt, different model: Hmm…that’s weird. But American shirts….they’re made for fat people. I was 4’7″ 67 lbs when I started high school and 4’10” 84 lbs. I wear a size 4-6 dress, am 5'7"/5'8", and I wear a 28 x 33. As to why the industry chooses these models, a fair question. Also I’ve seen many pictures of these website models in outerwear and L/S shirts with cuffs that end a good 1-2 inches short of the wrist, and it simply does not look good. They would see, if they saw themselves with other people’s eyes. The 5'1" star reportedly now wears a 4 instead of a 0. I did hear from these guys recently – https://www.purple-hat.co.uk/ – but haven’t tried them out yet (I think they were going to send a shirt…I’ll keep you updated if it arrives). It’s getting harder and harder to find clothes OTR that fit, especially now that I understand what fit is. For approximately the 17,321,212nd time, this column finds it can only answer … He does need to gain a little more muscle (like someone said in comments) and he would probably have a perfect fit. For Zara, I feel like they run a bit smaller, but not a huge amount, so I still wear my normal size for clothes there (S). As a tall and average/slim male, I feel like NOTHING fits me right. I probably have a 42 or 43″ chest, last I checked years ago anyway. So, it should come as little surprise that these models in the photograph are fitting into a shirt made to fit a much fatter guy (the shirt is also made a little over-long to accommodate the extra belly on a lot of men these days). Have you tried the women’s clothing section? Bespoke vs. Made-to-Measure vs. Off the Rack: What’s the Difference? While promoting her album in 2002, she told Billboard that she was "tired of being a skinny, white girl." I am 5’6″ and the shirt was too long with a chest pocket that was too low. Also, we may make up a minor segment of the population but there’s still a lot of us; too many for a business to ignore. They will be made from high quality fabrics in the USA. What kind of shirts are they? Fit models – both male and female, are aliens. I take a XS in Uniqlo clothes and have pants shortened (a service which they offer for free!) Agreed that the comments are super helpful, and you should pay attention to where your clothes are from. She looked at me fur a few seconds and said indignatly "we don't make clothes for people your size". Sometimes a trip to the tailor will fix minor issues with fit or sizing. I’ve seen so many major brands advertising proper fit for shorter men, and it’s complete BS. In the meantime, support the brands I mentioned above, and if you need to vent, please do so in the comments section below. I hope these brands and the people behind them find all of the success they deserve. Much of my life is dedicated to finding the best clothing for men of modest height. ‘Ready to wear’ clothing is manufactured with long sleeves and legs because the consumer can remove but not add length to the items. I hope the industry eventually takes notice and begins to cater to not just the regular and tall, but also us shorter gents. Fat shirts for fat guys worn by really small-boned tall guys. Crew or Club Monaco. I thought that most clothing manufacturers based their “regular” length sizing off of the northern hemisphere’s average male heoght of 5’10” -6’0″. The son who is 6’4″ wears an MT or MXT He would look like a scarecrow if he were to wear an L or XL to accommodate his height. Theres quite a few brands in the states that do clothing for shorter guys but in the UK its impossible to find. Most often the alterations cost more than some of the clothes i buy, which isn’t such a bad thing. I tend to look for pieces designed to have an oversized silhouette and usually I can fit into the biggest size available. Except…the average 5’9″ American man is anything BUT healthy – instead, the average American man, at 5’9″ or so, weighs about 30 lbs more than he should at that height. The truth is, most models have small boobs, and nowhere else in the world besides prudish, Christian America considers a womens naturally shaped boobs to be anything but normal and attractive. I care about classic & casual styling, quality, and fit. Often we end up with clothes that “kind of fit”, and we have to spend more money at a tailor to get them just right. Because I know for certain that when 6″3 Hugo Boss is wearing a size M that It will be as tight as a sock on me. Yes, he is very slim. The fit of the shirt COMPLETELY depends on the build of a person’s upper body, especially from working out/gym. Even in a medium, I try to find the “slim fit” lines, where they are available. We – short men – are being overlooked by the clothing industry. So i stick to short sleeves. That’s bullshit! Having a large tall or a xxxl hemmed up the sides leaves the neck hole and the sleeves hideously oversized. Zara is one of the most renowned global fashion brands and high street fashion retailers, that specializes in fast fashion and trendy ready-to-wear fashion clothing for women and men. He is 6″, wears a 29-30″ waist and a 34″ inseam. I can tell you that these models truly do wear sizes M, typically. I’m 5’4″ and 120-130 lbs. A bit late to the party here but I’ve found that, depending on the brand and fit, clothing sizes for men seem to vary drastically BUT in the west there is a trend toward building around the “average” *American* man. I don’t see how any typical 6ft 3 male could possibly have a 38ins chest – I’m 5ft 6 and generally considered slim, and I have a 38ins chest. That’s what the big & tall men and plus sized women did –and now you can’t go two feet without tripping over a specialty store for them. Home • Blog • Resources • Contact • Advertise, Privacy Policy & Affiliate Disclosure • Terms & Conditions, Copyright © 2021 The Modest Man (Registered Trademark). If you are “big and tall” then you have stores, but I don’t believe there are any “short and small” stores. Same goes for female models who are 6’+ but extra small in width. Plus-size models are simply promoting plus-size clothing. On the sale racks, I see plenty of L, XL, & XXL, no S, & few M. Shouldn’t this clue them that maybe they’re making too many of the big sizes? For me best brand with smaller clothes is Gas Jeans, its very popular in Europe. Sabine. Ironically, I’ve found that my best option for a quality looking fit is going to Marshall’s or the thrift store. I’m on the opposite end of the spectrum. Take Banana Republic for example. Anderson wears a 32B bra size so that is ideal for promoting this brand’s iconic push-up bras. I remember a time in my life when being “average and ordinary” would have been an upgrade. Our society seems to think that women don't know how to do anything. However, its sizes still seem to plateau at a size 16/18. But if you’re spending over £50 (which let’s be honest, is pretty easy to do at Zara), then it’s free anyway. Different brands are marketed at different body types. With button downs, I’ve just had better luck with foreign brands and even then I had to do some searching. This may have been mentioned before, but the issue is perhaps that these clothes are aimed at a young consumer base. theyre pictures not reality, they probaly would look weird walking down the street.all part of marketing. Then again, ASOS isn’t exactly a high end brand. The other good news is the trend towards shorter jackets; if it wasn’t for that I’d find buying sport jackets that fit length-wise to be an impossibility. Clothing and Style, Ugh..this is so annoying. Their designs are original and ironically scream diversity, it’s just a shame their sizes are not aligned.”, Shop Curve-Friendly Zara Pieces, As Recommended By Our Experts, Up Next: 15 “Boring” Staples Every Fashion Editor Can’t Live Without, 5 Curve Models on What's Good and Bad in the "Plus Size" Fashion World, 17 Handbags No One Will Believe You Found on the High Street, 15 “Boring” Staples Every Fashion Editor Can’t Live Without. You can follow Brock on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. Founding editor of The Modest Man, Brock is an aspiring minimalist who enjoys working out, spending time with his wife and family, traveling and creating great content. Any brands in particular that work well for you? Remember that the chosen item of clothing may differ in size in the range of +/- 1 cm. I’ve already gotten pretty good at alterations…. Good call! But this means creating more SKUs and making fewer items of each variation, which increases costs. As a 40-year-old man, 5’4 and 135 pounds, lean and muscular build, I used to dread going shopping for clothing and now thanks to some online options along with a successful livelihood that allows me to buy made-to-measure and bespoke clothing, I very rarely even go into a clothing store or buy from a mainstream clothing company. Excellent presentation and analysis, consistent with all of your wonderful posts. I’m 6’2 220lns. We also got their top tips for finding those curve-friendly pieces at Zara. I can’t say I’m angry about this (at age 76 & 5’4″, I’ve been living with this height problem for a long time) but I’ve never understood why manufacturers ignore us short guys. It’s all a matter of designer preference. I’m 5’6″ and about 130lbs slightly athletic build. Why is it that you come upon a rack of shirts, you will find stacks of shirts in XXL, 2X, 3X, with nothing smaller than a large. 1 for 10-2019 right below your article for models and don ’ t seem to plateau a... 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