RoboCop vs. The TF has the same body as the TA & TE except it has a 3/4 x 24 thread. This allows you to see which designs are more effective when it comes to recoil reduction, and spot some common characteristics among the top performers. Reactions: calhunter805. Cal, will you be testing this brake ? Good to know someone else could benefit from it! You brought up a great point regarding the up-sides and down-sides of the rearward facing baffles and their increased concussion. Thanks for the kind words, Jerry. Terminator Salvation (2009) Terminator Salvation's most admirable virtue is that it broke the mold of the first three films and tried to tell a different kind of story. So, what is the Best .308 Muzzle Brake? Who makes the best recoil reducing brake for a 300 RUM ? I’m obviously not trying to sell anything here, so you can take it or leave it. I told the manufacturer I wouldn’t write about it, because I didn’t think it was safe. That is when I decided to go 300 Norma with the heavy 230gr Berger bullets. Best muzzle brake I've used, hands down. That makes me feel a lot more comfortable. I would rather not publish results on something, rather than publish results that could be misleading. It penetrated 2 shirts and caused a wound deep enough to see flesh.”. Terminator X EFI; If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. I see you feature Greg Couper’s testing sled as one of your images, so no doubt you are aware of his products. It finished about the same as the ability to stay on target … usually towards the tail end of the pack. After my first-hand experience, I’m just not comfortable with any brake that angles back to the shooter at 45 degrees or more … regardless of the performance it offers. The point about muzzle brakes and safety concerns is definitely valid. Figurine Ultimate Future RoboCop articulée taille env. I would be willing to bet that the latter is not true due to the different designs of the brakes. Wow, Schmidt and Bender of muzzle brakes. Has anyone tried the Dead Air Armament 7.62mm Key Mount Muzzle Brake on a 6.5 creedmoor? Reactions: kingston. I’m just trying to give a balanced and responsible presentation of all the facts to help you make an informed decision. It doesn’t seem to be a stretch to think some of those kinds of particles may be blowing out the end of the barrel on every shot. Your test protocol seems to be a tool licensable to this small industry and also to the internal baffle structure of suppressors. He had an angled brake and I got peppered in the face with some debris. The bullet weight went down on the 6.5 Creedmoor, but the velocity went up … so the net effect on momentum isn’t enormous. Take the best brake, say the M72, and several of best selling comps. Personally, I’d be afraid it’s snake oil … but it certainly might not be. You can see where that will fall if you look at the upcoming posts in the Other Posts In This Series section in the post. But I did the math (I couldn’t find a velocity for the 308 you fired so I assumed 2700) and found there to be no correlation between the % of the momentum that came from the bullet and the difference between % reduction momentum and % reduction of peak force. I actually didn’t think anyone else on earth would be interested in that! There was no apparent damage on the brake. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. Jerry Hunt. The momentum is always directly proportional to the momentum of the bullet plus the expanding gases. A Data-Driven Approach To Precision Rifles, Optics & Gear. Super Baby Beast II. OG10 SME. By using a muzzle brake, we were able to tame the monster 300 Norma Mag so that it felt more like a bare muzzle 308 or 6.5 Creedmoor. … This is about all I could think of to speak to that. the baffles aren’t perpendicular to the bullet path). Easy installation. Very good analysis Jim. That was the first time I’d experienced something like that, and I’m hoping to not experience it again. If you look at the picture you can see the difference in a 4 port Lil Beast, 4 port Baby Beast max port 5/8x24, 3 port Baby Beast max port 5/8x24, and Baby Beast 1/2x28 regular port. Works very well, easy to install. Its my favorite at the moment. When considering whether/which muzzle brake - it is a trade off. Very impressive. In other words, the Recoil Eliminator solves the problem not just the symptom. The percentage shown is the average of the reduction in overall momentum and the reduction in peak force. I also go double-plugged most of the time, because hearing damage is cumulative and permanent. The T4 Dimensions are, 1.14”, 29mm diameter, 3.54”, 90mm long, 6-6.5 oz, 170-185 grams Standard threads are 5/8 x 24, M18x1, ¾ … Those still might not be as high as you’d expect, but they are in the same ballpark of what the JBM recoil calculator predicts for the Free Recoil Impulse. I couldn’t just mention the recoil stuff without also making sure readers were aware of the potential safety hazard of angled baffles. any help would be appreciated. It's not a matter of "almost no discomfort" it's just no discomfort. Thanks for the hard work. Cal is a life-long learner, and loves to help others get into this sport he's so passionate about. Sort By: View: "Double O" Button. Thanks for the details. So I’m not sure what the impact would be. The Top 3 Best 6.5 Creedmoor Muzzle Brakes … Or any caliber, if you just have a large barrel. and it self times on. But, like I mentioned before … I bet we’re in the noise. For those not familiar with the Terminator brakes, Greg has a great set of You Tube videos where he demonstrates his brakes’ effectiveness on various calibres and against other brakes, using a sled for consistency. The heat map below shows the average % reduction for each muzzle brake and rifle tested. I believe there are only 2 outside the top 5 that have angled baffles, the tiny TBAC Compact Brake and the smaller version of the Holland Radial Quick Discharge Muzzle Brake. +1 on the Terminator brakes. They're all loud in comparison to no brake, so noise isn't a concern for me. I realize that probably isn’t what you want to hear, but unless you are buying me a rail gun … I’m not testing accuracy. Both of the Alamo Four Star and American Precision Arms (APA) muzzle brakes seemed to outpace the others when it came to recoil reduction. If that it what it has, it’s probably more effective … but also more dangerous. At first I thought he was joking, and then I thought we were going to the hospital! Catégorie: Robocop. Not only was the peak of the force reduced, but the total impulse or momentum coming back at the shooter was also reduced (represented by the total “area under the curve”). So that is roughly the same thing you’re asking … how much does the size of the hole matter. I was seriously considering purchasing the APA little “B” for a rifle I am having built right now, but decided against it because many of the reviews I read said that while it’s an effective device for cutting down recoil, it also has a tendency to throw up a lot of dust which quickly inhibits the shooter’s visibility downrange. Nothing on any sled test can beat it. Nothing on any sled test can beat it. You can dive deeper into the recoil data in these posts: To recap, here is a look at the 4 cartridges and rifles used for the recoil tests: You may be wondering why some of the recoil signatures are smooth and others are more irregular. Standard hole size 6mm, must be opened up to correct calibre by a Gunsmith. Want to be the first to know when the next set of results is posted? T3 Terminator muzzle brakes are designed for .223 to 338 Magnum cartridges on barrels up to 25mm diameter. I know muzzle brakes are taboo or even banned in some competitions … that is tough, but I understand it. Greg mentioned that he ordered a couple JEC brakes so he could include one of those in the comparison, but hasn’t received any of them yet. This post provides a comprehensive view of the muzzle brake recoil reduction data gathered on all 4 rifles. And finally, what will be really different between the two is the acceleration of the rifles. www.muzzlebrakesandmore.com. B. bigngreen Well-Known Member. By the end you’ll know the best brake for your end-use and budget. Great Savings Free Delivery / Collection on many items Here is a summary of the underlying numbers behind the recoil signatures shown above. It seems unbelievable that the 6 Lbs 308 rifle recoils as much as the 14 lbs 6.5 creedmore, can someone explain that to me ? Just as (if not more) effective than the APA and Area 419 brakes, but less obnoxious on the shooter as the gas is directed perpendicular to the shooter. Terminator muzzle brakes are the most effective muzzle brake on the planet. Cal, did you consider using a Terminator brake from Terminator Muzzle brakes in New Zealand ? I'm thinking 3/4 thread . It’s clear that muzzle brakes significantly reduced the recoil of the each rifle. The Hellfire was a little easier to setup. I was wondering how much it mattered if you were using a generic 30 caliber brake on a 6mm or 6.5mm, compared to if you were to using a caliber-specific brake. Good for you Cal! He even gave the math behind it. It is specifically manufactured to replace the factory 338 Lapua Magnum Ruger Precision Rifle muzzle brake. I would go with the APA little bastard. Another reader asked a very similar question, and I answere... Heath: You’re pretty much regurgitating Bryan Litz’s books with this particular present... Joe Bellicini: Once again, well done. When you drill into those individual results, you can see how the suppressor compared. Like I said, I'd post it even if mine wasn't the best. It is a beast of a brake for your 50 BMG, 416 Barrett, Cheytac variant. The Terminator T-4 muzzlebrake IMO is the absolute best brake for the 338LM. Features to Consider When Buying Car Brakes . I don’t know that (wish I did) … but that is my hunch. Eddie. The ports look to be swept back approximately 45degrees, so they definitely send some shockwaves to the person beside you. It is quite eye opening to see how effective some brake designs are on heavy recoiling calibres, especially when he does a demonstration with no brake. Founded by Frank Galli in 2014, Sniper’s Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to it’s users in one location. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The heat map below shows the average % reduction for each muzzle brake and rifle tested. Rank This Matchup. One of the tips Greg gave me was if you want to really push a muzzle brake, test it on a big magnum pushing heavy bullets. Interesting, but I still don’t get it. You can view those results here: Greg from Terminator Products recently sent me a cool video of a test he did with a few of these brakes. Thanks for chiming in, Jim. My bad! The biggest difference is in how that force is applied. The variable will be the shooters tolerance to recoil vs concussion/gas. Does a brake-mounted suppressor have less recoil than a thread-mounted suppressor? A TT Terminator Muzzle Brake on a Gen II 6 5 Creedmoor Ruger Precision Rifle compared to the factory brake, shooting Hornady 143 ELDX at 2700 fps. Since I couldn’t come up with a really objective way to quantify that … I didn’t do any tests on it. I used to not believe a brake or suppressor could make a rifle more accurate, but it actually is plausible. I’ve talked to one engineer who does supersonic flow modeling on brake designs, and that sounds like the best way to “try out” design ideas like that. Well, Heath, I couldn't disagree more. Look forward to the noise data! Sorry if that was more confusing than helpful. Enemy of my Enemy issue 1. Email me directly for inquiries Brian@Shoot-Long.com. It’s pretty technical, but it has to do with choked flow of fluids. Lots of people have asked me about it. I’ve never seen a range with those barriers you described, but it sounds like a great idea. My 338 LM has the standard MPA brake and recoil is not heinous with it but less would be fine. It would seem that the proper fit would have an effect on the efficiency of the brake. His website is, Nathan at muzzle brakes and more makes excellent brakes at a very reasonable price. There seems to be a strong correlation between the angle and overall rank. This is the best muzzle brake to have if your Creedmoor has a ⅝ x 24 TPI threaded muzzle. T7 Brake The T7 Terminator muzzle brake was designed by request for .416 Barrett to 50 BMG on barrels up to 50mm muzzle diameter. I did test other rifles chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor and 308, and while the % of recoil reduction for the muzzle brakes were very similar within the same cartridge … the recoil signatures seemed to vary based on the stock. That’s why some academic studies out there are only able to model in 2 dimensions (like this study). I’ll also be sure to point out any brakes that reduce recoil unusually well compared to how loud they are. Thanks for mentioning it. The problem was the steep 45 angle back toward the shooter meant it actually hit and injured someone instead of going off to the side unnoticed. When using ATC with a 10 shot group what would be an acce... Shootin’ Okie: Thanks, for replying. Gravity works regardless of whether someone understands how it works or not! Have a look at you tube for a recoil sled test by Terminator muzzle brakes from. Think of them as the Schmidt & Bender of muzzle brakes. When Ford came out with the 2007 Shelby GT500 it had 110 more HP than the last SVT offering which was the Terminator. I do plan to post some stuff related to muzzle blast. But, just because I don’t understand it doesn’t mean it won’t work! The sound test should give us insight into the pressure difference at the shooter’s position for each brake, so stay tuned for that. I have the Little Bastard brake on my 308 barrel and that works very well also. PX Member. The Terminator 1 comments. Ultimately, it’s a violent explosion every time you fire a round. It is specifically manufactured to replace the factory 338 Lapua Magnum Ruger […] I guess we need more data to really find out! It’s essentially using clever a recoil sled setup, which is an intuitive way to quantify total momentum or impulse (which is simply the change in momentum). Are these the top two self timing brakes or are there better options out there? He even gives some of the math behind it. On the upper-end, if a brake reduced recoil by an average of 44% or more, which only the top 2 brakes did, it received a full 10.0 rating. They are virtually identical. Now let’s start off with some quick terminology… Flash Hider vs Muzzle Brake vs Compensator. I don’t want to present this as “right or wrong.” It’s up to each shooter to strike the right balance for their application. Ah – Thanks I was ambiguous. First, if my goal of this series was to compare recoil of different rifles and cartridges, I’d have presented the data differently. Thanks for the effort on this very detailed study. The TF Terminator muzzle brake is KG Gunkoted Black & opened out as standard to take a maximum calibre of the .338 Lapua Magnum. Maybe someone else will chime in and help us understand it. Those scenarios are really difficult to predict/calculate, so most recoil calculations are based on a much simpler scenario that ignores collisions, and that simpler scenario is called free recoil. Funny you should ask, Kevin! The numbers in bold indicate the top performer for each cartridge. Each pad material has pros and cons. They appear to be, and I’m glad you’re happy with them. I did run that lot of Federal Premium 308 ammo over my new LabRadar chronograph this past weekend (which is stupid awesome), and it was running an average of 2658 fps out of a 20″ barrel. I actually ran the APA Little B* on my personal rifle in two matches over the past month, and I never even noticed dusting or a ground signature that was distracting or impeded visibility. It is specifically manufactured to fit onto the factory threaded Blaser’s, Bergara’s, Lithgow’s, Tikka’s, Sako’s, Sauer’s & other rifles with M14, M15 & M16 x 1 muzzle threads with a maximum thread shoulder of 19.95mm, 0.785” A Good Lighter Choice For Cheytacs or 338 magnums where weight is not an issue. Home » Racer Essentials » Trans Brake Buttons & Cords; Trans Brake Buttons & Cords. Hey, Aaron. Or the T4. The guy beside me shot while I was stretching forward. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=327beJrl5vU. Beauty and the Beast is the clear winner. It is a beast of a brake for your 50 BMG, 416 Barrett, Cheytac variant. im considering a brake for my rifle, and leaning towards the csr only because the perceived sound to the shooter is quite a bit less. I have one on my 338LM improved and the gun is a absolute pleasure to shoot. These have been very helpful in my long range shooting on the products that I use. This article covers the muzzle brakes and suppressors the top 170+ precision rifle shooters in the country are running. I’d really like to see the numbers on how the T3 stacks up against this lot. Will stay on and never fall out. Based on some of my other tests and computer simulations I’ve heard about, the 1st baffle is doing the majority of the work. All Terminator Muzzle brakes have flats for a spanner and so they can easily be fitted by the gunsmith. EAN13 634482420775. Please be aware that this is a community forum. The Terminator figurine Ultimate Future RoboCop NECA. And great question! Computational fluid dynamics software can help, but modeling supersonic flow in 3 dimensions is VERY processor intensive. One of the newer ones that wasn't out when that testing went down is the Area 419 Hellfire. That also could explain the difference in performance you mentioned over the APA design, which features 30 degree baffles. So I hope that helps put your questions to bed. The 308 does have the highest % of momentum from the bullet at 44%, but the 6XC is not far at 37% despite having the lowest difference between reduction of peak force and momentum. Don't waste time and money with other brakes! Great work as usual Cal and thank you for your time and effort. I was a little disappointed to hear that the suppressor did very little to combat muzzle movement and now curious about felt recoil compared to a brake. A guy at a recent match turned me on to the, Insite Arms Heathen. I came up with an overall rating for each brake, which is indicated in the last column above. Surefire Procomp is a great break for the price, and performed quite well in the sled test as well. Reduced recoil in exchange for concussion and gas. I've got two of them. As usual, a very useful review – keep up the great work! . The only thing that comes close are the Beast brakes by Muzzle brakes & more. My hypothesis is some yes, some no. on Oct 21. My guess is that it is very load dependent just like each barrel needs a load made for it. I didn’t test accuracy with the brakes, because I couldn’t think of an objective way to do that. Have a T-4 on my 338LM Improved, the recoil reduction is amazing, much better than any of the fat or little bastard brakes. I see you feature Greg Couper’s testing sled as one of your images, so no doubt you are aware of his products. I am pretty amazed the range of difference and none of us would be the wiser without someone like you doing the work. I didn’t expect it to be that good. The difference being the way it secure the self timing brake. The objective is to reduce recoil and muzzle jump to see the bullet impacts. Some shooters would rather deal with the extra recoil than the increased concussion from that shock wave. They were concerned as well, and haven’t release that prototype for sale. Buy Hunting Muzzle Brakes and get the best deals at the lowest prices on eBay! I actually tested that. The Beast II brakes are ONLY available in 5/8x24. That is almost 20% more than the 6.5 Creedmoor. The benefits of a break is clear but unfortunately using one in a match (non-PRS) sometimes brings on the ire of some of the other shooters, especially F-class shooters who cannot use a break and so is not used to them. 18 cm avec accessoires, en emballage boîte-fenêtre. I didn’t do that because I wanted to stay closer to the raw data that was recorded, and since it’d be proportional to the data I presented … the rating of muzzle brake performance should be the same either way. The only difference is the bullet. I actually tested both brake-mounted suppressors and direct-thread suppressors. I have used a hand full of self timed brakes and the Area 419 Hellfire is what sits on my rifle. If money is a bit of an issue, but you have just enough for a budget model, then you’ll want to give the DPMS muzzle brake a closer look. If you’re interested, here is a link directly to that comment: http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/07/07/muzzle-brakes-recoil-results-for-6mm-6-5mm/#comment-3384. The SMR brake is a Lawton knock off and it will not perform at the level of the Beast or any other mentioned here so far. I don't think you mentioned caliber of rifle which makes a lot of difference in what brake you might want to consider. CHECK LATEST PRICE. They are the Harrell's 1" 4 port, the 5 port slabbed Muscle brake, the Terminator T-3 brake, and my 1.01" 4 port Beast brake. Drill into those individual results, you likely wouldn ’ t have to believe that '' 's! 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